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gronager: Its 14 | gronager: Its 14 | ||
gronager: at least in Kastrup, DK | gronager: at least in Kastrup, DK | ||
gronager: so lets start the meeting | gronager: so lets start the meeting | ||
gronager: I managed to send around an agenda | gronager: I managed to send around an agenda | ||
jens: A short one! | jens: A short one! | ||
gronager: so... lets start with _the_ ticket | gronager: so... lets start with _the_ ticket | ||
gronager: Ales - do you have anything to add on this ? | gronager: Ales - do you have anything to add on this ? | ||
ljocha: it's difficult for me, wearing my double hat | ljocha: it's difficult for me, wearing my double hat | ||
gronager: could you elaborate (on the hat) | gronager: could you elaborate (on the hat) | ||
gronager: (hats even) | gronager: (hats even) | ||
ljocha: the user requests a fix for a deprecated baseline, the fix _is_ already in the new one, and I know that EMI will not be very pleased to fix this in the old basline | ljocha: the user requests a fix for a deprecated baseline, the fix _is_ already in the new one, and I know that EMI will not be very pleased to fix this in the old basline | ||
gronager: so, what you say is that he requests support for sometihng unsupported | gronager: so, what you say is that he requests support for sometihng unsupported | ||
ljocha: on the other hand, I suspect the problem is with the "metapackage" (the RPM which contains nothing but dependencies) only. therefore we can make an easy workaround, just regenerate this empty RPM | ljocha: on the other hand, I suspect the problem is with the "metapackage" (the RPM which contains nothing but dependencies) only. therefore we can make an easy workaround, just regenerate this empty RPM | ||
ljocha: on unsupported -- this is sort of grey area | ljocha: on unsupported -- this is sort of grey area | ||
ljocha: the relationships with EMI are not strictly specified, I'm not sure what's the current level of support of glite 3.1 | ljocha: the relationships with EMI are not strictly specified, I'm not sure what's the current level of support of glite 3.1 | ||
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gronager: Question is if the deciding EGI organ for currently deployed stuff would like us to promote support for 3.1 | gronager: Question is if the deciding EGI organ for currently deployed stuff would like us to promote support for 3.1 | ||
ljocha: I've already emailed Zdenek Sustr, who is resposible for LB in EMI, what is his view, but he is on vacation. | ljocha: I've already emailed Zdenek Sustr, who is resposible for LB in EMI, what is his view, but he is on vacation. | ||
gronager: or to encourage him to upgrade | gronager: or to encourage him to upgrade | ||
jens: At least it's hard to call 3.1 deprecated when not all services are released in 3.2. Or perhaps they are now? I saw that FTS showed up not long ago. | jens: At least it's hard to call 3.1 deprecated when not all services are released in 3.2. Or perhaps they are now? I saw that FTS showed up not long ago. | ||
ljocha: I thing they are not | ljocha: I thing they are not | ||
gronager: OK, then I think we should provide him the fix, and note that it is not very nice to have these big chunks of releses (3.1, 3.2) of everything | gronager: OK, then I think we should provide him the fix, and note that it is not very nice to have these big chunks of releses (3.1, 3.2) of everything | ||
gronager: So, something to note to the TCB: the middleware providers should release components, not tied to 3.1 / 3.2 etc - and ensure that components works with the currently deployed components... | gronager: So, something to note to the TCB: the middleware providers should release components, not tied to 3.1 / 3.2 etc - and ensure that components works with the currently deployed components... | ||
gronager: otherwise we should switch to a monolith one rpm for everything and just install glite3.1 or 3.2 | gronager: otherwise we should switch to a monolith one rpm for everything and just install glite3.1 or 3.2 | ||
ljocha: this is not quite so. there are two major releases of glite, 3.1 and 3.2. components in each are independent but there are problems combining 3.1 and 3.2 ones, obviously | ljocha: this is not quite so. there are two major releases of glite, 3.1 and 3.2. components in each are independent but there are problems combining 3.1 and 3.2 ones, obviously | ||
gronager: (and I mean a real rpm - not a pointer to a lot of stuff... - ugly it would indeed be...) | gronager: (and I mean a real rpm - not a pointer to a lot of stuff... - ugly it would indeed be...) | ||
ljocha: the metapackage is LB, not entire glite ... | ljocha: the metapackage is LB, not entire glite ... | ||
gronager: (I know...) | gronager: (I know...) | ||
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ljocha: there used to be (until glite 3.1) rather bad practice to put the dependencies into the metapackage, not into the real RPMs which require them | ljocha: there used to be (until glite 3.1) rather bad practice to put the dependencies into the metapackage, not into the real RPMs which require them | ||
gronager: however, if we want to support a situation of two releases floating around, we need to support combinations as well | gronager: however, if we want to support a situation of two releases floating around, we need to support combinations as well | ||
ljocha: this is cleaned up in 3.2 | ljocha: this is cleaned up in 3.2 | ||
gronager: ok | gronager: ok | ||
jens: Combining 3.1 and 3.2 packages sound bad though. Noone wants to support that. You can't roll in CentOS4 packages on a CentOS 5 machine without getting pain. | jens: Combining 3.1 and 3.2 packages sound bad though. Noone wants to support that. You can't roll in CentOS4 packages on a CentOS 5 machine without getting pain. | ||
gronager: I still, think we should provide him a fix, and deal with the policy around that at another level | gronager: I still, think we should provide him a fix, and deal with the policy around that at another level | ||
ljocha: sure. | ljocha: sure. | ||
ljocha: I will try to repack glite-LB RPM (the metapackage) without the problematic voms-api-noglobus requirement. | ljocha: I will try to repack glite-LB RPM (the metapackage) without the problematic voms-api-noglobus requirement. | ||
ljocha: If it works, we can push it to EMI. | ljocha: If it works, we can push it to EMI. | ||
gronager: OK - great, and I will take a note on the policy of how to support these things... | gronager: OK - great, and I will take a note on the policy of how to support these things... | ||
ljocha: Btw, have we got a web site where to release such fixes? | ljocha: Btw, have we got a web site where to release such fixes? | ||
gronager: I think you should notify mario | gronager: I think you should notify mario | ||
ljocha: OK | ljocha: OK | ||
gronager: Next agenda point... | gronager: Next agenda point... | ||
gronager: Awareness | gronager: Awareness | ||
gronager: So far the number of ticksets recieived has been quite low | gronager: So far the number of ticksets recieived has been quite low | ||
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gronager: I think it is more a result of unawareness and other practices than due to high quality-no-bugged middleware | gronager: I think it is more a result of unawareness and other practices than due to high quality-no-bugged middleware | ||
gronager: I will contact Tiziana and Ron to ensure we get an improved awareness and to ask what the actual procedures are | gronager: I will contact Tiziana and Ron to ensure we get an improved awareness and to ask what the actual procedures are | ||
gronager: I guess a phonecon would be good | gronager: I guess a phonecon would be good | ||
gronager: will send out an invitation - great if some of you could join | gronager: will send out an invitation - great if some of you could join | ||
Rebecca Breu: i'll be away the next week and the week after | Rebecca Breu: i'll be away the next week and the week after | ||
gronager: OK... | gronager: OK... | ||
ljocha: This is the top-down part of the activity. I'd also suggest push on rearrangement of the GGUS support units to reflect the current (theoretical) support structure | ljocha: This is the top-down part of the activity. I'd also suggest push on rearrangement of the GGUS support units to reflect the current (theoretical) support structure | ||
ljocha: I'm available for the phoneconf this and next week, in general. | ljocha: I'm available for the phoneconf this and next week, in general. | ||
gronager: Yes, I agree - and we should discuss that with Torsten - inviting him for the phonecon as well | gronager: Yes, I agree - and we should discuss that with Torsten - inviting him for the phonecon as well | ||
gronager: Fine - I don't have anything else on the agenda - aob, anyone? | gronager: Fine - I don't have anything else on the agenda - aob, anyone? | ||
ljocha: congratulations to your son | ljocha: congratulations to your son | ||
gronager: Thanks! | gronager: Thanks! | ||
ljocha: the first one? | ljocha: the first one? | ||
gronager: Nope number 3 - all boys | gronager: Nope number 3 - all boys | ||
- 14:21 - | - 14:21 - | ||
gronager: OK - so long for now - talk to you at the phonecon! | gronager: OK - so long for now - talk to you at the phonecon! | ||
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- 13:59 -
gronager: Its 14
gronager: at least in Kastrup, DK
gronager: so lets start the meeting
gronager: I managed to send around an agenda
jens: A short one!
gronager: so... lets start with _the_ ticket
gronager: Ales - do you have anything to add on this ?
ljocha: it's difficult for me, wearing my double hat
gronager: could you elaborate (on the hat)
gronager: (hats even)
ljocha: the user requests a fix for a deprecated baseline, the fix _is_ already in the new one, and I know that EMI will not be very pleased to fix this in the old basline
gronager: so, what you say is that he requests support for sometihng unsupported
ljocha: on the other hand, I suspect the problem is with the "metapackage" (the RPM which contains nothing but dependencies) only. therefore we can make an easy workaround, just regenerate this empty RPM
ljocha: on unsupported -- this is sort of grey area
ljocha: the relationships with EMI are not strictly specified, I'm not sure what's the current level of support of glite 3.1
- 14:05 -
gronager: Question is if the deciding EGI organ for currently deployed stuff would like us to promote support for 3.1
ljocha: I've already emailed Zdenek Sustr, who is resposible for LB in EMI, what is his view, but he is on vacation.
gronager: or to encourage him to upgrade
jens: At least it's hard to call 3.1 deprecated when not all services are released in 3.2. Or perhaps they are now? I saw that FTS showed up not long ago.
ljocha: I thing they are not
gronager: OK, then I think we should provide him the fix, and note that it is not very nice to have these big chunks of releses (3.1, 3.2) of everything
gronager: So, something to note to the TCB: the middleware providers should release components, not tied to 3.1 / 3.2 etc - and ensure that components works with the currently deployed components...
gronager: otherwise we should switch to a monolith one rpm for everything and just install glite3.1 or 3.2
ljocha: this is not quite so. there are two major releases of glite, 3.1 and 3.2. components in each are independent but there are problems combining 3.1 and 3.2 ones, obviously
gronager: (and I mean a real rpm - not a pointer to a lot of stuff... - ugly it would indeed be...)
ljocha: the metapackage is LB, not entire glite ...
gronager: (I know...)
- 14:10 -
ljocha: there used to be (until glite 3.1) rather bad practice to put the dependencies into the metapackage, not into the real RPMs which require them
gronager: however, if we want to support a situation of two releases floating around, we need to support combinations as well
ljocha: this is cleaned up in 3.2
gronager: ok
jens: Combining 3.1 and 3.2 packages sound bad though. Noone wants to support that. You can't roll in CentOS4 packages on a CentOS 5 machine without getting pain.
gronager: I still, think we should provide him a fix, and deal with the policy around that at another level
ljocha: sure.
ljocha: I will try to repack glite-LB RPM (the metapackage) without the problematic voms-api-noglobus requirement.
ljocha: If it works, we can push it to EMI.
gronager: OK - great, and I will take a note on the policy of how to support these things...
ljocha: Btw, have we got a web site where to release such fixes?
gronager: I think you should notify mario
ljocha: OK
gronager: Next agenda point...
gronager: Awareness
gronager: So far the number of ticksets recieived has been quite low
- 14:15 -
gronager: I think it is more a result of unawareness and other practices than due to high quality-no-bugged middleware
gronager: I will contact Tiziana and Ron to ensure we get an improved awareness and to ask what the actual procedures are
gronager: I guess a phonecon would be good
gronager: will send out an invitation - great if some of you could join
Rebecca Breu: i'll be away the next week and the week after
gronager: OK...
ljocha: This is the top-down part of the activity. I'd also suggest push on rearrangement of the GGUS support units to reflect the current (theoretical) support structure
ljocha: I'm available for the phoneconf this and next week, in general.
gronager: Yes, I agree - and we should discuss that with Torsten - inviting him for the phonecon as well
gronager: Fine - I don't have anything else on the agenda - aob, anyone?
ljocha: congratulations to your son
gronager: Thanks!
ljocha: the first one?
gronager: Nope number 3 - all boys
- 14:21 -
gronager: OK - so long for now - talk to you at the phonecon!