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(14:00:03) rbreu: last week's protokol isn't on the wiki yet, or is it? | |||
(14:00:54) Michael Grønager: Hi Rebecca | |||
(14:00:57) Michael Grønager: Nope its not | |||
(14:01:05) Michael Grønager: I probably forgot to upload it | |||
(14:01:29) Michael Grønager: but I should be able to find it in my trasscripts and upload it after this meeting | |||
(14:01:39) rbreu: hi! btw, there's a DMSU category, it would be really helpful if you'd use it for the transcripts :) | |||
(14:02:20) Michael Grønager: OK - I'll try to see if my it-skills enables me to reach such advanced settings ;-) | |||
(14:02:34) Michael Grønager: anyway | |||
(14:02:40) Michael Grønager: meeting opened | |||
(14:02:58) Michael Grønager: I have a few updates | |||
(14:03:03) Michael Grønager: first on GGUS... | |||
(14:03:24) Michael Grønager: we agreed at EGI-TF to do a restructuring of the GGUS SU list | |||
(14:03:31) Michael Grønager: by October 1st | |||
(14:03:57) Michael Grønager: the changes imposed included also an idea to disable "normal | |||
(14:03:59) Michael Grønager: " | |||
(14:04:11) Michael Grønager: users from seeing the 3rd level support | |||
(14:04:28) Michael Grønager: and after discussion with Torsten and Mathilde | |||
(14:04:45) Michael Grønager: we decided to go for that right away, eventhough it meant a delay until Nov 1st | |||
(14:05:08) Michael Grønager: as for October, we will have to live with only one SU for DMSU | |||
(14:05:28) Michael Grønager: however, it will get a more prominent position in the GGUS dropdown menu | |||
(14:05:39) Michael Grønager: Second thing... | |||
(14:06:17) Michael Grønager: Going through the already open tickets... | |||
(14:06:31) Ales Krenek: as for the single unit for DMSU -- can we start using the field "Assigned to person"? | |||
(14:06:46) Michael Grønager: I think we are ready to start on this, and get TTF for each of these | |||
(14:06:47) Ales Krenek: it makes some indication of responsibility | |||
(14:07:00) Michael Grønager: Ales: yes, lets do that | |||
(14:08:17) Michael Grønager: Are you all aware of the GGUS SUs you need to consult to harvest tickets ? | |||
(14:08:36) Michael Grønager: I got answers from most (all) of you regarding this last week | |||
(14:08:43) Michael Grønager: so we should be able to just start | (14:08:43) Michael Grønager: so we should be able to just start | ||
(14:09:37) Michael Grønager: I expect that to be an october timeframe task - i.e. by November 1st all tickets have a expected ttf attached to them | (14:09:37) Michael Grønager: I expect that to be an october timeframe task - i.e. by November 1st all tickets have a expected ttf attached to them | ||
(14:10:10) Ales Krenek: I've already strated ;-) -- just want to consult the overlap with INFN | (14:10:10) Ales Krenek: I've already strated ;-) -- just want to consult the overlap with INFN | ||
(14:10:45) Michael Grønager: ales: great - however, I think that Alessandro is on vacation this week... | (14:10:45) Michael Grønager: ales: great - however, I think that Alessandro is on vacation this week... | ||
(14:11:52) Michael Grønager: OK then to the open tickets... | (14:11:52) Michael Grønager: OK then to the open tickets... | ||
(14:11:53) Ales Krenek: OK, I'll send him an explicit request via email | (14:11:53) Ales Krenek: OK, I'll send him an explicit request via email | ||
(14:12:00) Michael Grønager: ales: super | (14:12:00) Michael Grønager: ales: super | ||
(14:12:29) Michael Grønager: we have 2 new: 62435 and 387 | (14:12:29) Michael Grønager: we have 2 new: 62435 and 387 | ||
(14:13:24) Michael Grønager: APEL is INFN, right ? | (14:13:24) Michael Grønager: APEL is INFN, right ? | ||
(14:13:36) Ales Krenek: CESNET, AFAIK | (14:13:36) Ales Krenek: CESNET, AFAIK | ||
(14:13:41) Michael Grønager: OK :-) | (14:13:41) Michael Grønager: OK :-) | ||
(14:13:52) Michael Grønager: It seems quite straight forward... | (14:13:52) Michael Grønager: It seems quite straight forward... | ||
(14:15:28) Michael Grønager: It seems however, to be a clear APEL ticket, that should go to the APEL team, with a TTF request | (14:15:28) Michael Grønager: It seems however, to be a clear APEL ticket, that should go to the APEL team, with a TTF request | ||
(14:16:29) epaisios: Sorry I'm late | (14:16:29) epaisios: Sorry I'm late | ||
(14:16:43) Ales Krenek: Eventually, it can be broken up into several requests -- yaim etc. | (14:16:43) Ales Krenek: Eventually, it can be broken up into several requests -- yaim etc. | ||
(14:16:49) Michael Grønager: better late than never - I thought you were on vacation... | (14:16:49) Michael Grønager: better late than never - I thought you were on vacation... | ||
(14:17:34) Ales Krenek: Btw, is there a TTF field in GGUS? So that we can search for due tickets ... | (14:17:34) Ales Krenek: Btw, is there a TTF field in GGUS? So that we can search for due tickets ... | ||
(14:17:35) Michael Grønager: Ales, yes, get your point - I trust it to be in safe hands ;-) | (14:17:35) Michael Grønager: Ales, yes, get your point - I trust it to be in safe hands ;-) | ||
(14:18:08) Michael Grønager: I thought of using the Please send reminder on <date> field | (14:18:08) Michael Grønager: I thought of using the Please send reminder on <date> field | ||
(14:18:15) Michael Grønager: and note the ttf in the text | (14:18:15) Michael Grønager: and note the ttf in the text | ||
(14:20:06) Michael Grønager: moving to 62435 | (14:20:06) Michael Grønager: moving to 62435 | ||
(14:20:12) Michael Grønager: globus-job-run | (14:20:12) Michael Grønager: globus-job-run | ||
(14:20:44) Michael Grønager: I think this is in principle a globus ticket... | (14:20:44) Michael Grønager: I think this is in principle a globus ticket... | ||
(14:21:01) Ales Krenek: I don't think so -- its glite packaging | (14:21:01) Ales Krenek: I don't think so -- its glite packaging | ||
(14:21:05) Michael Grønager: however, it is labelled as glite, and it depends what policy we prefer when it comes to globus | (14:21:05) Michael Grønager: however, it is labelled as glite, and it depends what policy we prefer when it comes to globus | ||
(14:21:38) Michael Grønager: if emi aims for harmonizing, it would be good to have one unified source for globus-job-run | (14:21:38) Michael Grønager: if emi aims for harmonizing, it would be good to have one unified source for globus-job-run | ||
(14:21:41) epaisios: they mention that it concern glite 3.2 ui | (14:21:41) epaisios: they mention that it concern glite 3.2 ui | ||
(14:21:53) Ales Krenek: IMHO it is a result of the glite cleanup | (14:21:53) Ales Krenek: IMHO it is a result of the glite cleanup | ||
(14:22:02) Michael Grønager: as globus-job-run is globus-UI and not glite | (14:22:02) Michael Grønager: as globus-job-run is globus-UI and not glite | ||
(14:22:29) Ales Krenek: there used to be a big globus client package installed at glite-UI, while the current version install only minimal libraries & commands. | (14:22:29) Ales Krenek: there used to be a big globus client package installed at glite-UI, while the current version install only minimal libraries & commands. | ||
(14:22:44) Michael Grønager: (agree with you both), however, I would prefer to keep it out of 3.2, but to be able to direct to user towards another package for globus-job-run usage | |||
(14:22:44) Michael Grønager: (agree with you both), however, I would prefer to keep it out of 3.2, but to be able to direct to user towards another package for globus-job-run | |||
usage | |||
(14:23:00) Michael Grønager: Ales, and I guess that is good, isn | (14:23:00) Michael Grønager: Ales, and I guess that is good, isn | ||
(14:23:01) Michael Grønager: t it | (14:23:01) Michael Grønager: t it | ||
(14:23:04) Michael Grønager: ? | (14:23:04) Michael Grønager: ? | ||
(14:23:14) Ales Krenek: yes, but it's just the tip of the iceberg | (14:23:14) Ales Krenek: yes, but it's just the tip of the iceberg | ||
(14:23:24) Michael Grønager: agree... | (14:23:24) Michael Grønager: agree... | ||
(14:23:24) Ales Krenek: there is a lot of globus inside glite UI | (14:23:24) Ales Krenek: there is a lot of globus inside glite UI | ||
(14:23:44) Ales Krenek: one cannot take just globus-run from another distribution without a big risk of libraries clash | (14:23:44) Ales Krenek: one cannot take just globus-run from another distribution without a big risk of libraries clash | ||
(14:24:15) Michael Grønager: agree - and this is where the harmonization part of EMI will stand its first challenge | (14:24:15) Michael Grønager: agree - and this is where the harmonization part of EMI will stand its first challenge | ||
(14:24:28) Ales Krenek: yes, but it will take a while ... | (14:24:28) Ales Krenek: yes, but it will take a while ... | ||
(14:24:34) Michael Grønager: yes ;-) | (14:24:34) Michael Grønager: yes ;-) | ||
(14:24:59) Ales Krenek: we should suggest the ticket requestor to install an additional globus package, | (14:24:59) Ales Krenek: we should suggest the ticket requestor to install an additional globus package, | ||
(14:25:00) Michael Grønager: first step could be to support packagingwise to have multiple installations without a clash | (14:25:00) Michael Grønager: first step could be to support packagingwise to have multiple installations without a clash | ||
(14:25:10) Michael Grønager: yes | (14:25:10) Michael Grønager: yes | ||
(14:25:21) Ales Krenek: coming from a matching distribution | (14:25:21) Ales Krenek: coming from a matching distribution | ||
(14:25:54) Ales Krenek: what you say is the "gathered experience" input DMSU should provide to the mw providers | (14:25:54) Ales Krenek: what you say is the "gathered experience" input DMSU should provide to the mw providers | ||
(14:26:00) Michael Grønager: and then create a ticket for EMI requesting their policy on this... - I guess the ticket should also be copied to IGE | (14:26:00) Michael Grønager: and then create a ticket for EMI requesting their policy on this... - I guess the ticket should also be copied to IGE | ||
(14:26:31) Michael Grønager: yes | (14:26:31) Michael Grønager: yes | ||
(14:26:34) epaisios: that would be good | (14:26:34) epaisios: that would be good | ||
(14:27:18) Michael Grønager: OK - I can create those tickets, and assign them to EMI and IGE(and if not IGE exists I will assign it to ggus with a request of a IGE unit) | (14:27:18) Michael Grønager: OK - I can create those tickets, and assign them to EMI and IGE(and if not IGE exists I will assign it to ggus with a request of a IGE unit) | ||
(14:27:40) Michael Grønager: would it be best to just duplicate the ticket twice ? | (14:27:40) Michael Grønager: would it be best to just duplicate the ticket twice ? | ||
(14:28:05) epaisios: could we use involve others? | (14:28:05) epaisios: could we use involve others? | ||
(14:28:44) Ales Krenek: As for the original ticket -- I'll talk to the glite-UI maintainers to check which is the right vdt package to install. | (14:28:44) Ales Krenek: As for the original ticket -- I'll talk to the glite-UI maintainers to check which is the right vdt package to install. | ||
(14:28:50) Michael Grønager: we could, but the solution to the user would be, as ales suggested to install another package | (14:28:50) Michael Grønager: we could, but the solution to the user would be, as ales suggested to install another package | ||
(14:28:57) Michael Grønager: ales, yes | (14:28:57) Michael Grønager: ales, yes | ||
(14:29:26) Michael Grønager: so the policy for globus is just something we see as a general problem that we need an answer to | (14:29:26) Michael Grønager: so the policy for globus is just something we see as a general problem that we need an answer to | ||
(14:31:20) Michael Grønager: OK - no more new tickets | (14:31:20) Michael Grønager: OK - no more new tickets | ||
(14:31:38) Michael Grønager: and I don't have more to add - I will upload the transcripts to the wiki | (14:31:38) Michael Grønager: and I don't have more to add - I will upload the transcripts to the wiki | ||
(14:31:41) Michael Grønager: AOB? | (14:31:41) Michael Grønager: AOB? | ||
(14:34:28) Ales Krenek: Do you plan someting during the SA2 meeting Michel is organizing at OGF? | (14:34:28) Ales Krenek: Do you plan someting during the SA2 meeting Michel is organizing at OGF? | ||
(14:35:56) Michael Grønager: I havn't considered it yet | (14:35:56) Michael Grønager: I havn't considered it yet | ||
(14:36:21) Michael Grønager: but I would like to mention something about DMSU at the meeting - and e.g. present our TTF cleaning effort | (14:36:21) Michael Grønager: but I would like to mention something about DMSU at the meeting - and e.g. present our TTF cleaning effort | ||
(14:36:39) Michael Grønager: and mention some of the problems like the globus policy one | (14:36:39) Michael Grønager: and mention some of the problems like the globus policy one | ||
(14:36:46) Ales Krenek: I'm not sure what is the exact purpose and agenda of the meeting, I just know it's there | (14:36:46) Ales Krenek: I'm not sure what is the exact purpose and agenda of the meeting, I just know it's there | ||
(14:37:09) Michael Grønager: The main purpose is a follow up on the software release procedure | (14:37:09) Michael Grønager: The main purpose is a follow up on the software release procedure | ||
(14:37:25) Michael Grønager: involving all the other taskleaders in SA2 but the DMSU one | (14:37:25) Michael Grønager: involving all the other taskleaders in SA2 but the DMSU one | ||
(14:37:43) Michael Grønager: but some other ideas might hit us anyway... | (14:37:43) Michael Grønager: but some other ideas might hit us anyway... |
Revision as of 14:54, 28 September 2010
(14:00:03) rbreu: last week's protokol isn't on the wiki yet, or is it?
(14:00:54) Michael Grønager: Hi Rebecca
(14:00:57) Michael Grønager: Nope its not
(14:01:05) Michael Grønager: I probably forgot to upload it
(14:01:29) Michael Grønager: but I should be able to find it in my trasscripts and upload it after this meeting
(14:01:39) rbreu: hi! btw, there's a DMSU category, it would be really helpful if you'd use it for the transcripts :)
(14:02:20) Michael Grønager: OK - I'll try to see if my it-skills enables me to reach such advanced settings ;-)
(14:02:34) Michael Grønager: anyway
(14:02:40) Michael Grønager: meeting opened
(14:02:58) Michael Grønager: I have a few updates
(14:03:03) Michael Grønager: first on GGUS...
(14:03:24) Michael Grønager: we agreed at EGI-TF to do a restructuring of the GGUS SU list
(14:03:31) Michael Grønager: by October 1st
(14:03:57) Michael Grønager: the changes imposed included also an idea to disable "normal
(14:03:59) Michael Grønager: "
(14:04:11) Michael Grønager: users from seeing the 3rd level support
(14:04:28) Michael Grønager: and after discussion with Torsten and Mathilde
(14:04:45) Michael Grønager: we decided to go for that right away, eventhough it meant a delay until Nov 1st
(14:05:08) Michael Grønager: as for October, we will have to live with only one SU for DMSU
(14:05:28) Michael Grønager: however, it will get a more prominent position in the GGUS dropdown menu
(14:05:39) Michael Grønager: Second thing...
(14:06:17) Michael Grønager: Going through the already open tickets...
(14:06:31) Ales Krenek: as for the single unit for DMSU -- can we start using the field "Assigned to person"?
(14:06:46) Michael Grønager: I think we are ready to start on this, and get TTF for each of these
(14:06:47) Ales Krenek: it makes some indication of responsibility
(14:07:00) Michael Grønager: Ales: yes, lets do that
(14:08:17) Michael Grønager: Are you all aware of the GGUS SUs you need to consult to harvest tickets ?
(14:08:36) Michael Grønager: I got answers from most (all) of you regarding this last week
(14:08:43) Michael Grønager: so we should be able to just start
(14:09:37) Michael Grønager: I expect that to be an october timeframe task - i.e. by November 1st all tickets have a expected ttf attached to them
(14:10:10) Ales Krenek: I've already strated ;-) -- just want to consult the overlap with INFN
(14:10:45) Michael Grønager: ales: great - however, I think that Alessandro is on vacation this week...
(14:11:52) Michael Grønager: OK then to the open tickets...
(14:11:53) Ales Krenek: OK, I'll send him an explicit request via email
(14:12:00) Michael Grønager: ales: super
(14:12:29) Michael Grønager: we have 2 new: 62435 and 387
(14:13:24) Michael Grønager: APEL is INFN, right ?
(14:13:36) Ales Krenek: CESNET, AFAIK
(14:13:41) Michael Grønager: OK :-)
(14:13:52) Michael Grønager: It seems quite straight forward...
(14:15:28) Michael Grønager: It seems however, to be a clear APEL ticket, that should go to the APEL team, with a TTF request
(14:16:29) epaisios: Sorry I'm late
(14:16:43) Ales Krenek: Eventually, it can be broken up into several requests -- yaim etc.
(14:16:49) Michael Grønager: better late than never - I thought you were on vacation...
(14:17:34) Ales Krenek: Btw, is there a TTF field in GGUS? So that we can search for due tickets ...
(14:17:35) Michael Grønager: Ales, yes, get your point - I trust it to be in safe hands ;-)
(14:18:08) Michael Grønager: I thought of using the Please send reminder on <date> field
(14:18:15) Michael Grønager: and note the ttf in the text
(14:20:06) Michael Grønager: moving to 62435
(14:20:12) Michael Grønager: globus-job-run
(14:20:44) Michael Grønager: I think this is in principle a globus ticket...
(14:21:01) Ales Krenek: I don't think so -- its glite packaging
(14:21:05) Michael Grønager: however, it is labelled as glite, and it depends what policy we prefer when it comes to globus
(14:21:38) Michael Grønager: if emi aims for harmonizing, it would be good to have one unified source for globus-job-run
(14:21:41) epaisios: they mention that it concern glite 3.2 ui
(14:21:53) Ales Krenek: IMHO it is a result of the glite cleanup
(14:22:02) Michael Grønager: as globus-job-run is globus-UI and not glite
(14:22:29) Ales Krenek: there used to be a big globus client package installed at glite-UI, while the current version install only minimal libraries & commands.
(14:22:44) Michael Grønager: (agree with you both), however, I would prefer to keep it out of 3.2, but to be able to direct to user towards another package for globus-job-run usage
(14:23:00) Michael Grønager: Ales, and I guess that is good, isn
(14:23:01) Michael Grønager: t it
(14:23:04) Michael Grønager: ?
(14:23:14) Ales Krenek: yes, but it's just the tip of the iceberg
(14:23:24) Michael Grønager: agree...
(14:23:24) Ales Krenek: there is a lot of globus inside glite UI
(14:23:44) Ales Krenek: one cannot take just globus-run from another distribution without a big risk of libraries clash
(14:24:15) Michael Grønager: agree - and this is where the harmonization part of EMI will stand its first challenge
(14:24:28) Ales Krenek: yes, but it will take a while ...
(14:24:34) Michael Grønager: yes ;-)
(14:24:59) Ales Krenek: we should suggest the ticket requestor to install an additional globus package,
(14:25:00) Michael Grønager: first step could be to support packagingwise to have multiple installations without a clash
(14:25:10) Michael Grønager: yes
(14:25:21) Ales Krenek: coming from a matching distribution
(14:25:54) Ales Krenek: what you say is the "gathered experience" input DMSU should provide to the mw providers
(14:26:00) Michael Grønager: and then create a ticket for EMI requesting their policy on this... - I guess the ticket should also be copied to IGE
(14:26:31) Michael Grønager: yes
(14:26:34) epaisios: that would be good
(14:27:18) Michael Grønager: OK - I can create those tickets, and assign them to EMI and IGE(and if not IGE exists I will assign it to ggus with a request of a IGE unit)
(14:27:40) Michael Grønager: would it be best to just duplicate the ticket twice ?
(14:28:05) epaisios: could we use involve others?
(14:28:44) Ales Krenek: As for the original ticket -- I'll talk to the glite-UI maintainers to check which is the right vdt package to install.
(14:28:50) Michael Grønager: we could, but the solution to the user would be, as ales suggested to install another package
(14:28:57) Michael Grønager: ales, yes
(14:29:26) Michael Grønager: so the policy for globus is just something we see as a general problem that we need an answer to
(14:31:20) Michael Grønager: OK - no more new tickets
(14:31:38) Michael Grønager: and I don't have more to add - I will upload the transcripts to the wiki
(14:31:41) Michael Grønager: AOB?
(14:34:28) Ales Krenek: Do you plan someting during the SA2 meeting Michel is organizing at OGF?
(14:35:56) Michael Grønager: I havn't considered it yet
(14:36:21) Michael Grønager: but I would like to mention something about DMSU at the meeting - and e.g. present our TTF cleaning effort
(14:36:39) Michael Grønager: and mention some of the problems like the globus policy one
(14:36:46) Ales Krenek: I'm not sure what is the exact purpose and agenda of the meeting, I just know it's there
(14:37:09) Michael Grønager: The main purpose is a follow up on the software release procedure
(14:37:25) Michael Grønager: involving all the other taskleaders in SA2 but the DMSU one
(14:37:43) Michael Grønager: but some other ideas might hit us anyway...